« Snitching in Iraq | Main | The question of combatants »

February 03, 2008

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00e5501b3bea883400e5501267ed8833

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Thanks for your service. Now what?:

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Jay

Please cite your source for:

"they are sent through basic training, a process designed to, among other things, teach them to kill, and to do it without making the calculations the human brain normally does before killing."

Bev

Jay:

I don't have a specific source - I base this sentence mostly on my conversations with soldiers. Also, part of it is res ipsa loquitur - why would an army would want soldiers who did not know how to kill?

Andrew

Jay -

A soldier's job is to kill when ordered to, or act in a support role for those who have so ordered. This doesn't seem like a point to belabor overmuch - are there any sources you can cite who argue that this is not the case? I do not believe specifically cited sources are necessary in order to back up that point - if there is even a particularly authoritative voice on the subject that could do the job. Logical thought does the job quite well on its own.

It is also logical to hold that basic training, which has the function of taking untrained civilians - who in western societies at least have little experience with modern warfare or proficiency in the skills it demands - and transforming them into soldiers, must then teach trainees how and when to kill. It is necessary to do this because there are certain social mores ingrained in individuals from birth - one of them being that killing is NOT acceptable behavior. If this were not true, society would be utterly anarchic at all levels. It would not function. While one can argue that our society is sufficiently violent so as to undermine these social mores, still there is a level of revulsion towards killing - ethical or otherwise - that must be overcome in order to create an effective soldier. Basic training is the process by which the military accomplishes this. And further military training, in addition to teaching specific skills and tactics, is designed to reinforce this change.

If you insist, here's a document I find rather compelling in defense of this concept. Right out of the mouths of Army Captains (often company commanders).

http://www.ausa.org/pdfdocs/ARMYMag/CC_Sept05.pdf

Andrew

Bev -

In response to the Buddhist perspective on the topic of what we owe soldiers, not that I'm a Dharma master myself by any means, but I would think that the answer would be found in examining the purpose of having an army and having citizens be members of it in the first place.

If you accept (as is typical in international relations) that the international scene is essentially anarchic - meaning that each nation is like a man alone in a world lacking laws or at least no outside body that can enforce them - it follows that for a country to ensure its own survival it will find it necessary to raise and maintain a defense of some sort. Sadly, Humans being what they are, having an army in such a world is a necessary evil. However it is not at all necessary to use this army in an aggressive manner - which I believe makes having one potentially compatible with the tenets of Buddhism.

Unfortunately the members of this army will, in order to be effective at defending the country, have to be inculcated with the ethic of killing and harming fellow Human beings even though this is a complete anathema from a Buddhist perspective. I'm not sure there is any way around this, sadly. But I believe that Buddhism demands that their sacrifice be recognized and compensated for - and that they be given the best of care by the society and government that required them to become trained killers and potentially fight and take life.

I suppose what I'm getting at, in an admittedly roundabout way, is that it may not be wholly wrong for an individual to be a member of the military, that for some individuals military service could be seen as a calling, perhaps a 'right path' - though that is likely stretching the concept. But if it is necessary that there be armed forces in the world, and necessary that their members train to kill, then it follows that, as you argue, society owes them a tremendous obligation to see that they are cared for if they are harmed in any way.

So in short, I agree with your belief that soldiers are owed for their service by society. Regardless of whether or not a particular war is justifiable, or the soldiers who fight in it made a conscious choice to fight or not - on some level they're serving society. And I think Buddhism demands that they must be cared for.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment